TVs

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Well of course you get half the frames per second at 60 Hz vice 120 Hz.  That doesn't mean a TV that displays 1920x1080 resolution at 60 Hz isn't outputting 1080p.  It just means you're getting a better refresh rate and smoother picture at 120 Hz vice 60 Hz. 

At the end of the day, you'll get 1080p from a 60 Hz TV at 1920x1080 resolution.  That's what I was getting at.  Otherwise, what's the point in paying more for a 32" TV at 1920x1080 native resolution than a 32" TV at 1366x768 resolution (both at 60Hz), if the picture looks identical at that refresh rate?  And why would the former TV be advertised as "Full 1080p HD?" 

JB 

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There is no difference between 1080P, 1080i and 720P @ 60Hz visually speaking.

Again, 1080P is lines of resolution and nothing more.

What makes a true and full 1080P experience is the minimum 120Hz.

If your looking at buying a 1080P or a 720P @60Hz, buy the 720P, no brainer.

You said "I don't notice any difference on that than on my in-laws 50" plasma screen" that probably because its 1080i/720P as a lot of 50" plasma's are.

"doesn't mean a TV that displays 1920x1080 resolution at 60 Hz isn't outputting 1080p"

Never said it wont. You need to understand that 1080P is always going to display 1080 lines of resolution with either 60Hz or 120Hz or blu-ray or a coax cable from the wall to the back of the TV, you will still have 1080 lines of resolution. What I tried explaining to you was what makes a real and true "full 1080P HD" which is a minimum 120Hz. If you screw coax cable to the back of a 1080P TV your not getting HD just because you have an HDTV. Lines of resolution really don't mean much if you don't have refresh rate that can properly display them fast enough.

"why would the former TV be advertised as "Full 1080p HD?"

Because your getting a "full 1080 lines of resolution" or I assume that's what FS is referring to.

A true FULL 1080P HDTV is 1080P lines of resolution and a minimum 120Hz. If you don't like the way FS has it worded, ask them if the picture will look the same on a 1080P 60Hz and a 1080P 120Hz. Anybody there that says there's no visual difference should not be working in TV sales.

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jts_360 wrote:

There is no difference between 1080P, 1080i and 720P @ 60Hz visually speaking.

Again, 1080P is lines of resolution and nothing more.

What makes a true and full 1080P experience is the minimum 120Hz.

If your looking at buying a 1080P or a 720P @60Hz, buy the 720P, no brainer.

You said "I don't notice any difference on that than on my in-laws 50" plasma screen" that probably because its 1080i/720P as a lot of 50" plasma's are.

"doesn't mean a TV that displays 1920x1080 resolution at 60 Hz isn't outputting 1080p"

Never said it wont. You need to understand that 1080P is always going to display 1080 lines of resolution with either 60Hz or 120Hz or blu-ray or a coax cable from the wall to the back of the TV, you will still have 1080 lines of resolution. What I tried explaining to you was what makes a real and true "full 1080P HD" which is a minimum 120Hz. If you screw coax cable to the back of a 1080P TV your not getting HD just because you have an HDTV. Lines of resolution really don't mean much if you don't have refresh rate that can properly display them fast enough.

"why would the former TV be advertised as "Full 1080p HD?"

Because your getting a "full 1080 lines of resolution" or I assume that's what FS is referring to.

A true FULL 1080P HDTV is 1080P lines of resolution and a minimum 120Hz. If you don't like the way FS has it worded, ask them if the picture will look the same on a 1080P 60Hz and a 1080P 120Hz. Anybody there that says there's no visual difference should not be working in TV sales.

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You're not actually saying how 1080p Full HD only exists at 120 Hz.  You're just saying it is and expecting me to take you at your word.

A Blu-ray on a 1080p HDTV at 60 Hz will look better than on a 720p TV at 60 Hz.  I've seen the difference, and the higher resolution, the better the picture.  Hands down.  I've compared it on my computer as well.  I use a monitor with 60 Hz refresh rate, and running a video game at 1366x768 resolution doesn't look nearly as good as running it at 1920x1080 resolution.  Both are at 60 Hz, but there is a very large visual difference between the two when using the higher resolution.  120 Hz refresh rate will still beat either of those two, but that's obvious. 

I have to ask you one question though - are manufacturers and companies like FS knowingly trying to screw their customers out of money?  If a 720p TV and a 1080p TV both at 60 Hz show the exact same picture, in the exact same quality, with absolutely no visual difference, then that is exactly what they are doing.  I don't buy that for a second.

And for the record, I never once stated that TVs at 120 Hz look the same as those at 60 Hz.

JB

[#4]

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Juice0904 wrote:

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A Blu-ray on a 1080p HDTV at 60 Hz will look better than on a 720p TV at 60 Hz.  I've seen the difference, and the higher resolution, the better the picture.  Hands down.

JB

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Nope, they look the same, hands down.

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Juice0904 wrote:

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I have to ask You one question though - are manufacturers and companies like FS knowingly trying to screw their customers out of money?  If a 720p TV and a 1080p TV both at 60 Hz show the exact same picture, in the exact same quality, with absolutely no visual difference, then that is exactly what they are doing.  I don't buy that for a second.

JB

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Maybe the manufacturers are trying to get rid of obsolete technology(60Hz).

It's all about sales and price points. You believe that there is a difference between 1080p 60Hz and 720P 60Hz, well I guess you have super human vision processors because this was argued and proved 4 years ago that there is no difference to the human eye. If you want proof, learn how to use google.

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You know, there is no need to be rude.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. 

JB